Episode 8: Real Stories | Overcoming the Unexpected: Sharon Gilroy-Dreher’s Story

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Sharon Gilroy-Dreher:

I'll share that I think about the old me as a friend that I miss and I don't get to visit.

Jennifer Botterill

Welcome to beyond age, a Manulife exclusive podcast, Manulife Cares about the physical, mental, and financial well-being of Canadians. During this podcast series, we uncover the truth about holistic health and aging. To keep you living healthier for longer, no matter your age. In this unique episode, we're shaking things up a bit. Rather than engaging with industry experts, we've opted for a more diverse approach. We'll be sharing a real life story from an individual who has personally encountered a significant health event, will delve into their firsthand account of the journey. And subsequently explore the transformative steps they've taken in reshaping their life post event. Our aim is that the insights shared here may provide valuable advice for our listeners.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

My name is Sharon Gilroy-Dreher, and this is my real story.

Jennifer Botterill

Sharon will share her personal journey through a significant cerebellar stroke in her real life story. A cerebellar stroke occurs when the blood supply to cerebellum is interrupted to provide some context. Research tells us that the cerebellum is the mini brain. Positioned at the base of our brain hemispheres behind the brainstem. It's only 10% of the brain's total weight but contains up to 80% of all the brain's neurons. Basically, it's an incredible supercomputer impacting attention, problem solving, executive function, speech and language, vision, memory, hearing, balance and precision movements. It’s worth noting that cerebellar strokes are very rare, comprising approximately 3% of all stroke cases. Let's join. Sharon, next, where she outlines what her life was like before her stroke.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Life for me was really busy and full. I was a working mom of three, married. My father lived with us. He was 84 and he had vascular dementia and Alzheimer's, so, I was his person. And so we were, we were on the go all of the time. I was also a really active community volunteer, so I was on a number of different committees. Personally, I run a fundraiser every fall for a couple of months, and I was the board chair for an education charity. So, lots of my free time was taken up with community involvement work. If I wasn't working. And I'll share that I think about the old me as a friend that I miss and I don't get to visit. She was this girl that seemed to run on high octane gas and had endless amounts of energy. And so, I'm glad I got to be that person for 48 years, but it's it's a shift. It really is. I was someone who went to the gym several times a week, used to go for my yoga classes at the ‘Y’. Had a daughter in high school, one in university, one between undergrad and masters. So, I mean really active and busy people at home with like, you know, a good social life and going out and doing things. And I'm a big crafter and so I'm a paper crafter and so I would go away for weekends a few times a year. With my friends to do this kind of stuff. And all of that kind of ground to a halt. It's really shocking. Like, you don't anticipate that something that life changing can happen to you when you're 48. I was completely not prepared for that shift.

Jennifer Botterill

Her life seems quite ordinary. Sharon's pre stroke period probably mirrors the experiences of many Canadians in general. However, what unfolds next was undoubtedly unexpected. Sharon now provides a comprehensive account of her experience. Beginning with her precursor symptoms through to the moment that her stroke fully hits.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

I had never heard of anyone my age having a stroke, so to me having a stroke was something elderly folks did. Folks who were further along, maybe with complicated health conditions. I didn't have any of that. When I actually had my stroke the doctor in the hospital said, I ticked none of the boxes that would have put me at risk, but what I had in the two weeks leading up to my stroke was I kept getting these crunching headaches at the base of my skull, and they might last from 5 to 20 minutes. I was a regular migraine sufferer 22 years before my stroke and they all stopped once I had babies, so heavy migraines was not something that was common for me anymore. It had been over 2 decades, and this didn't feel like a migraine. Like it just felt crunchy. I couldn't explain it, but it would come and go. But the two days before the event, I woke up in the morning and kind of felt like Alice in Wonderland and I didn't know how to describe it, except I felt like it was in, like, an looking into an altered reality. So. I wear bifocals, so anyone who gets new bifocal prescriptions knows the floor feels like it's a whole different level. Once you get those new glasses. It was like that times 100, so I would be looking at my printer beside me. But as I turned it sort of warped into a different dimension. And so, I drove to work. I worked all day thinking this feels very trippy. I don't know what's going on. And I think in the moment we brush off stuff thinking it's not as bad as it seems, but by the end of the day, I called my family doctor's office and said, look, I think there's something going on. And they said come right in. My blood pressure was normal. I said, do I have, like, a weird ear infection that makes, you know, stuff seem weird? They could find nothing wrong, like my heart, my lungs, everything were fine. And they gave me a requisition for blood work and sent me home. And I had this altered state from 7:00 AM till 11:00 PM. Look, I woke up the next day and it I was fine. And so, I went and had the blood work done. So, I have this Alice in Wonderland Day that I don't know how to describe, and two, two days later the headache starts again, but this time it lasts for hours. So, I'm out shopping, Christmas shopping with my father. And by the afternoon, I just have to lay down and I'm like, I cannot think or talk through this pain. And I got up to make dinner. And that's when it hit. So, it felt like a double barrel shotgun to the base of my skull.

Jennifer Botterill

We're going to pause for a moment here to clearly explain the Fast Test for you. The Fast Test is a simple and effective way for anyone to recognize and respond to the signs of a stroke quickly. F.A.S.T. is an acronym where ‘F’ stands for face. Simply ask the person to smile and observe if one side of their face is drooping or numb. ‘A’ stands for arms. Ask the person to raise both arms. Make note if one arm drifts downward or is weaker than the other. ‘S’ stands for speech. Ask the person to repeat a simple sentence. Check if their speech is slurred or if they have difficulty speaking. ‘T’ stands for time. If any of these signs are present, face drooping, arm weakness or speech difficulty, it is crucial for you to call emergency services immediately. Time is of the essence in stroke cases and prompt medical attention can significantly improve the chances of recovery.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

The fast test is so important, and I want everybody to know how to do it. Because it catches 95% of strokes that happen in the hemisphere, but the other 5% of strokes happen either in the brainstem 2% of the time, or where mine happened, which is the cerebellum, which is 3% of strokes. And so those two spots don't often get captured. The fast test, unfortunately.

Jennifer Botterill

While not explicitly or officially articulated, Sharon proceeds to discuss aspects that drawn from her personal experiences, could be noteworthy for individuals potentially facing a stroke such as hers.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

I call it the three V's. It's a violent headache vomiting and vertigo. And so I've since learned that those three things, if you have them, suddenly all at once, it's a risk of a stroke from an advocacy perspective, I think it's really important for people to realize that no matter what age you are, if you have these symptoms, you need to go to the hospital.

Jennifer Botterill

We now take you back to Sharon's firsthand experiences while having her stroke.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

And my daughter was at the kitchen table, and I grabbed the counter as I was falling over because I couldn't hold myself up. I was unable to say any words except “no” and “sick”, and so every time they asked me a question, my answer was “no” because my brain couldn't get any other words out and so I just kept saying “sick, sick, sick,” and then eventually I was unconscious, and my family dialed 911. I had exceptional female paramedics who came. I have since met them to thank them. And I live 5 minutes away from a cardiac hospital. When they backed out of the driveway with the ambulance, and he saw them driving the other direction to the regular hospital in town. He's like, why aren't they going to the closest one? And I've since learned that they used my case to help train new paramedics to tell them why they need to do a hospital bypass. Because these two individuals had determined that I was having a stroke and the stroke ward, and the MRI was at the further hospital. I'm really fortunate that by the time I got to the ER, the doctor said to my husband. “She's passed the blood work. She's passed a CT scan, but I really think she's having this really rare type of stroke and we're going to admit her.” And so that's great because the stories I hear from folks. Are they get dismissed in ER because they assume it's a migraine. And so, if they've never had a migraine before, it could very well feel that way. I'd had them for years. I knew exactly what it felt like, and this was not one you just want someone to say, hey, me too, right? Like I can relate. It sounds like me. Thank you. To hear that very many people had the same types of symptoms.

Jennifer Botterill

After her stroke, Sharon shows to become active online and wrote an article on LinkedIn about the signs of a stroke and what to do. She also feels that bringing this information into the workplace and making it a part of everyone's basic training would be of great benefit. Sharon also helped kick start. The Heart and Stroke Community of Survivors Group, which now has over 3000 Canadian members.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

I'm 80% like the old me and that's OK, right? It's a far cry from where I was at that six-month mark when I was really, really struggling. And what's interesting is some of the recovery, are things I wouldn't think would be used in recovery, but it's exposure therapy. And so, I really struggled to be anywhere where there was more than one voice, so I would book coffee shop visits with friends every single week, sometimes twice a week, to see if I could stand to be there for 5 minutes, then 10 minutes, then 15 minutes. Because at home sometimes I'd have to put in ear plugs because I couldn't stand the noise. Just if my own family having conversations, I had the same thing with being in a vehicle. So, I used to feel like I was being thrown at warp speed, like Star Wars style. We'd be doing 60 and I feel like we're, you know, Mach 3. And so having to go as a passenger on challenge drives every single weekend to build my tolerance. I have to give the credit to my physiotherapist, who came with C.C.A.C. when I came home, because her words to me were “You are 48 and you need to become comfortable with being uncomfortable or you are going to be like someone's great aunt Sally. Who doesn't come to Christmas anymore because she's 90 and she can't stand the noise of all the children, or she can't stand the business of getting on a train or a plane. And so, she never travels anymore. Do you want that to be your life at 48?” And it really took me back and I said “No”. And she goes, “Then become comfortable with being uncomfortable. Tell me that that's what you're going to do.”. And I said, “I can be comfortable with being uncomfortable.”. I think it's the biggest shift for me was at the five-year mark. When I realized that, recovery is a journey, and it's not a destination.

Jennifer Botterill

Sharon emphasizes that each stroke is unique, akin to snowflakes, with no two being identical. The impact varies depending on the location and severity of the stroke within the brain. Even now, Sharon continues to make progress. For instance, from a stability standpoint, there was a time post stroke when she couldn't bend down to pick up a dropped quarter and stand back up. However, through dedicated effort she has reclaimed this ability, a journey that has spanned seven years.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

People don't know what I'm experiencing. If I don't tell them. Don't turn around to someone who's had a stroke and say, “Oh my gosh, you know, so when do they expect you to be fully recovered?”. I have a permanent brain injury, right. Recovery again is a journey. It's not a destination. I look great. I do. I present really well when I meet people, they wouldn't know that I have had a stroke. But, I mean there's a lot of stuff that happens in my brain that I just, you know, am frantically trying to keep up with the conversation or remember information, make those connections and so that whole recovery is a journey, not a destination, and that's OK. Thank you for wanting to share someone's lived experience rather than just the expert, because I like to say, we are the expert of our own health.

Jennifer Botterill

And that was Sharon's real story. We trust that Sharon's firsthand experiences and advice presented in this documentary will be valuable to you. Up next don't miss an interview with Sharon where she delves into her volunteer work with the Heart and Stroke Foundation, along with her participation in other outreach groups. We'll be right back after this message.

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Jennifer Botterill

Welcome back to Beyond Age. We have invited Sharon Gilroy-Dreher back for an interview with us. Sharon, thank you so much for sharing your journey.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm happy to be here.

Jennifer Botterill

Now advocacy is a key theme in your story. Can you please share with us some of the advocacy resources that you have used or participated in and how they can benefit others?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Thank you so much for asking that question because advocacy has really been a way for me to use the difficult defining health event I had in a positive way. I always believe you should look at things and think where is the good in this and how can I tap into it? And so, advocacy has been that avenue for me. I began to follow accounts online that were relevant to my stroke. I mean, a quick search on any social platforms and you can find lots of information. I also wanted to find things that were true and honest and scientific. And so, once I felt comfortable with that, I began to engage with other patients as well. So, the first event I participated in, I started to follow the Heart and Stroke Foundation. And there was a post online. They were holding a women's Heart Health Hackathon. And they wanted women with lived experience of either heart disease or stroke. And this was 14 months after my event and I thought I don't know what I have to offer, but gosh, I'd really love to learn from people. And I applied and I was invited to attend. And it was such a positive experience for me. I still volunteer with them all these years later, and I made some incredible healthcare connections as well. Because I was placed at a working group table alongside a very prominent, award-winning cardiologist who told me that preeclampsia during pregnancy created a risk factor for women to have a cardiovascular event later in life. And I have consistently described that event as a light bulb moment for me. Because that described me, that described my mom that described both my sisters. And that has turned into me being a patient partner on a few Canadian Institutes of Health research grant applications specifically targeting hypertensive. Disorders and pregnancy with the goal of using my experience to help prevent women like me having a stroke because of pregnancy related complications. And then after that first experience with heart and stroke, I raised my hand and I said, hey I would love to participate in whatever other way you think would be a good fit for my personal experience and my professional skills. And I was really fortunate they've reached out and they said, “Hey, you know, we're going to start this community of survivors group”. And so initially there was 17 of us that helped get that off the ground, Heart and Stroke moderates. Finding a space that's moderated by an organization sometimes is a great place to start. Because you know it's actual facts that you're getting from an organization that is doing research in whatever area your health condition is. And then from there, I just continued to raise my hand. I participated in their women's initiative, nationally and provincially. Because of that, I was invited to join their Advancing Women's Health and Heart Brain Research Leadership Group, which was nationally. And then joined a community consultation and review panel, they were updating the Canadian stroke best practices recommendations for virtual car. And so that was exciting to get to give input on that. And from there I was invited to speak at conferences. So Canadian Stroke Conference in 2019, Canadian Women's Heart Health, summit in 2021 and then webinars and national panels across Canada for Heart and Stroke alongside researchers. I also started to reach out in the early days to the Ontario Brain Injury Association. Because I didn't really feel like a stroke survivor in the beginning. Because I didn't have all of those physical outward signs that people have. And they were so encouraging. And in 2019, I actually reached out to them again and said, “Hey, would you be interested in sharing my story? Because I get your magazine”. And they have a section called I am the face of brain injury and so a few months later they published that and that encouraged me in 2020 to reach out to the American Heart and Stroke Connection Magazine. And they also published the story. And then through some volunteer efforts with a working group for the Ministry of Health, I was introduced to an author, and he was in the midst of writing a book. He's an award-winning author. And he said, “Hey, will you write a chapter for me on your experience?”  So that was another really exciting thing I never would have expected when I started in advocacy work. And so that book is called, Not Your Dad's Stroke, by Ron Lacombe. And it's available online and it's so unreal for me to think my words are on a page in a book that someone I don't know will read. There's also a mail connect group online, and again I'm trying to find places that you know have legitimate information. And so, they launched that in 2018 or 2019 and invited me to start the cerebellar stroke group. And so, I was the first post when they founded that very specific health group, and it allowed me to share the resources. I had learned about with other people. Because, gosh, those are things I would have wanted someone to share with me you know.

Jennifer Botterill

Absolutely well thank you so much for being so generous with your time and being there for others and sharing your story. Now you've also mentioned exposure therapy as one step on your recovery journey. Are there any other tips that you've picked up that have really helped your physical and mental health after your stroke?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

So first off, mental health wise, I've been really fortunate, but I do know that Heart and Stroke reports that between a third and a half of stroke survivors develop some form of depression. And so, I think it's really important to call that out to say it's OK not to be OK. And if that's you, you should reach out to your health team because there are resources that can help you. What I struggle with is brain fatigue. And so, I really have to manage my cognitive load and eight years in, I still stumble and fail. When my brain gets overtaxed I can't process a lot of noise or commotion? Sometimes it's difficult for me to speak or to walk. And so, as an extrovert, it's really hard to turn down invitations to events. And so, if anything, that has been my hardest struggle knowing that it's a fine balance and if I tip the scales, I end up in bed for a few days. And I can do nothing. So that has been the hardest battle for me in that health piece. But physically, I think keeping active is so important. So, I had a ‘Y’ membership for years before I had my stroke. So, I was not a star athlete by any stretch. But I was like, active a few times a week. It's been 8 years since my stroke and I still participate in stroke specific exercise programs twice a week. So, I work one-on-one with the support person, and I've really come to believe that exercises medicine. Especially for someone who's had a health event. So, I continue to have functional wins eight years later because of this specific stroke geared exercise program. And it's really unique, It's offered at the University of Waterloo. And I really believe strongly in that exercise component. So much so in this program that I applied and was selected to join the centre advisory team for this program. If I could encourage anyone it stay active.

Jennifer Botterill

Definitely. And when it comes to healthy aging, you said you once thought that strokes were something that only happened to elderly people. What do you wish you'd known as a younger person about being conscious of your health and getting older?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Yeah, I really think that we take our health for granted. Especially when we're young and we're symptom free. That said, I was a relatively healthy person. I exercise. I had no obvious risk factors. The hospital couldn't pinpoint a reason for the stroke, and yet I still had this really rare event. But when I was 40, I began having my cholesterol checked and my blood pressure checked regularly because those were issues that ran in my family. And so, my numbers were really good, and they still are. But I think to encourage people when you hit that magic number and 40 is something I've heard healthcare practitioners call out a lot, go and have some baseline numbers done just so you can adjust things early if you need to. You can monitor stuff if they're a little off. And be proactive. I mean you have to play an active role in your own health care. Diet and exercise are way more important than we've realized when we're young. And we don't pay enough attention to that, and those are controllable risk factors that can tip those scales again later in life.

Jennifer Botterill

Absolutely. So important, right in terms of playing that active role and to make those things a priority as you start to age through your life. Are there any myths or misconceptions you can think of, about experiencing a major health event being a survivor or the recovery process that you feel need to be debunked?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Oh my goodness. So, the first thing that comes to mind for me is the word recovery. And so having a stroke is not like breaking your leg. There's no six weeks in a cast, and you're better. I naively thought, eight weeks after my stroke. Hey, this is gonna be fine. Time is gonna make me feel better. I don't have any physical manifestations. Like, I don't have any paralysis. I am going to be the old me. I have a permanent brain injury right, that I still have to manage every day and will for the rest of my life. So, it took me five years to accept that recovery is a journey, not a destination. And I think that would be the same for anyone else who has had some sort of critical health. Like a heart attack or a serious medical diagnosis that needs to be managed for your lifetime. Identifying as a survivor was also a really tough adjustment, and I think again, I don't look like a typical stroke survivor, so I didn't identify with that label for probably a year. But that also means that people that look like me, you would never guess have a brain injury or they've had a stroke and they might think I'm 100% recovered. Because again, that's what people expect you to be, right? When you look normal, you feel normal. So, before my event, I rarely thought about people with a hidden disability. I'm going to be honest. But a stroke for people like me really is a hidden disability. And so, this summer I got a thing called a Sunflower Lanyard for traveling through airports. And it was a program that started in the UK years ago, and now it has been adopted by most international airports, including Toronto Pearson. I'm pretty active on social media and I follow a number of hashtags and someone who had a stroke had posted about this in the UK and I had been watching eagerly waiting for it to hit North America. And so, once it was adopted at Pearson I signed up. And so, I have a customized ID tag. You can get standard ones, but mine has my picture on it, states that I have a brain injury. And on the back, it lists some things I struggle with. Like if there's a lot of noise and commotion, I might not be able to respond to the questions you're asking me, or I might get very tired and need to sit down. And those are things that sometimes I can't advocate for myself. And this fall, I traveled on my own to a health conference in another province with this lanyard. It was so much less stressful for me. I'd encourage anyone who has a hidden disability and needs to travel or wants to travel to look into getting a Sunflower Lanyard. And it’s hdsunflower.com for hidden disability. And that really, I mean was something I never would have thought of before but has been so helpful.

Jennifer Botterill

Well, I'm so glad that's been a support for you and allowed you to continue to travel and explore these opportunities. If there is anyone listening who has experienced the same rare type of stroke as you have or any rare health event and they may be feeling alone, what would you tell them about why it's important to find community and tell their story?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

First, you're not alone. It feels very much that way in the beginning. When you're ready, reach out and know that you will find a community of survivors, people who've been there and done that and can support you in ways that other people can't. I have an incredible family, a very supportive employer. But getting support from people who understand what I'm facing. Has been so incredible. So far, and it's been 8 years for me. I have met one cerebellar stroke survivor in person. Her name is Jackie. She lives across the country, and we were introduced at a National Heart and Stroke event. I'm going to get emotional saying this if we just stood and hugged each other. It was so, being able to talk to someone who understands exactly the events that you've had, it was so validating and supportive. So, I woke up this morning and today is my eight-year anniversary and my first text message was from Jackie. Yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Botterill

Amazing. Amazing.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

And I'd also encourage people to share your story in whatever way you're comfortable. I mean, not everyone is going to hop on a podcast. But you can make a difference for someone else, and you might not even realize it. I often will share on my anniversary, conference talks that I've done to spread awareness. And a number of years ago I had a woman reach out who lives in the US after reading my story in an online article. She had started to follow me, and she watched this conference talk, and she said the impact it had on her was she finally felt seen. And gosh, that sits with me still to this day. I'm like you don't know the impact you're gonna have on someone else. So, use your voice and use your story to help people feel connected. And in my case, I advocate so that I can help change health outcomes for other people. So, it's funny, like, I used to celebrate this day every year. I was so thrilled. Like I'm alive, right, I'm here. And my family was always crushed. They'd be like, oh, my God, mom. Like, it's the worst day of our life. We thought you're gonna die right in front of us, right. And I'm like, but I'm here. Like, I mark this day is the day I get to stay. My oldest daughter is 30. When she was 26, she had a stroke. She's had two, and so it wasn't until she had her strokes, that today became really emotional for me.

Jennifer Botterill

Thank you for that, because you have been there for so many other people and we're so glad that you were able to connect with Jackie in person and share that embrace and to know that you're there for each other and for so many other people. Finally, as you reflect on your work and your personal health journey, do you have one or two key takeaways for our listeners that they could apply to their own lives?

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Yes, first remember that you know your body best, so always advocate for the care that you need and also be open to where advocacy can lead you. That same cardiologist, who I'm still in contact with years Flater, encouraged me to continue advocating because of those conversations, I've reached out to the hospital where I had stayed. I'd never had referrals from the hospital I was discharged. And I secured myself a referral with the Chief of Neurology 15 months after being discharged. And at that first meeting, he reviewed my file and he said “Hey, Full disclosure, we missed some blood tests when you were here,” and he walked me down to the lab so they could do them immediately. That test discovered that I had a genetic blood clotting disorder, and it was not the cause of my stroke, but it was the cause of really severe migraines in my 20s and it seems genetic blood clotting disorder mixed with hormonal birth control pills creates a stroke risk. Because I'd advocated for myself to get that neurologist appointment. It created an opportunity for my three daughters to get that genetic testing done and I learned that all three of them inherited that. If we hadn't pushed for that, they never would have had that information. And so, advocacy can come in all different forms. And so, looking out for yourself is so important. Second, I'm going to say that be the manager of your own health record and the keeper of your own reports. Mine is just a simple list on my note's app on my phone, but I keep track of everything. It has come in really helpful and that becomes really important when you already have a health condition. Also, when we're an informed patient healthcare practitioners pay attention. You're arriving with data and dates and how long that has happened, what's the duration. And that means they can make better informed decisions about your care. Because you've provided them with better facts. And as a patient, it's my job to help do that. That's to my benefit. I'd encourage folks to be an active participant in your own care. Each professional you work with is your partner in care.  Because together you're writing your health story.

Jennifer Botterill

Sharon, that's incredible. And just to summarize, you said at one point that “Recovery is a journey and not a destination”. We are so thankful that you've joined us and that you've shared your recovery journey, so thanks for joining us, Sharon.

Sharon Gilroy-Dreher

Thank you so much for letting me share my story and hopefully it resonates with someone else, and it helps them.

Jennifer Botterill

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